IN THE SUPREME COURT OF APPEALS OF WEST VIRGINIA
January 1999 Term
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No. 25891
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STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA EX REL.
CHRISTINA
MEANS,
Petitioner
v.
HONORABLE CHARLES E. KING,
JUDGE OF THE CIRCUIT COURT OF KANAWHA COUNTY,
THE WEST VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION,
DIVISION OF HIGHWAYS
AND
WILLIAM CAYTON,
Respondents
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Writ of Prohibition
WRIT GRANTED AS MOULDED
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Submitted: June 1, 1999
Filed: July 14, 1999
J. Michael Ranson,
Esq.
Charles
R. Bailey, Esq.
Cynthia M. Salmons,
Esq.
Desiree
Halkias Divita, Esq.
Leslie R. Stotler,
Esq.
Shuman,
Annand, Bailey, Wyant &
Ranson Law
Offices
Earles
Charleston, West
Virginia
Charleston,
West Virginia
Attorneys for
Petitioner
Attorneys
for Respondents, West
Virginia
Department of Transportation,
Division
of Highways and William
Cayton
JUSTICE WORKMAN delivered the Opinion of the Court.
SYLLABUS BY THE COURT
1. 'Prohibition lies only to restrain inferior courts from proceeding in causes over which they have no jurisdiction, or, in which, having jurisdiction, they are exceeding their legitimate powers and may not be used as a substitute for writ of error, appeal or certiorari.' Syl. pt. 1, Crawford v. Taylor, 138 W.Va. 207, 75 S.E.2d 370 (1953). Syl. Pt. 2, Cowie v. Roberts, 173 W.Va. 64, 312 S.E.2d 35 (1984).
2. In determining whether to entertain and issue the writ of prohibition for cases not involving an absence of jurisdiction but only where it is claimed that the lower tribunal exceeded its legitimate powers, this Court will examine five factors: (1) whether the party seeking the writ has no other adequate means, such as direct appeal, to obtain the desired relief; (2) whether the petitioner will be damaged or prejudiced in a way that is not correctable on appeal; (3) whether the lower tribunal's order is clearly erroneous as a matter of law; (4) whether the lower tribunal's order is an oft repeated error or manifests persistent disregard for either procedural or substantive law; and (5) whether the lower tribunal's order raises new and important problems or issues of law of first impression. These factors are general guidelines that serve as a useful starting point for determining whether a discretionary writ of prohibition should issue. Although all five factors need not be satisfied, it is clear that the third factor, the existence of clear error as a matter of law, should be given substantial weight. Syl. Pt. 4, State ex rel. Hoover v. Berger, 199 W.Va. 12, 483 S.E.2d 12 (1996).
3. A writ of prohibition is available to correct a clear legal error resulting from a trial court's substantial abuse of its discretion in regard to discovery orders. Syl. Pt. 1, State Farm Mut. Auto. Ins. Co. v. Stephens, 188 W.Va. 622, 425 S.E.2d 577 (1992).
4. Where the issue on appeal from the circuit court is clearly a question of law or involving an interpretation of a statute, we apply a de novo standard of review. Syl. Pt. 1, Chrystal R.M. v. Charlie A.L., 194 W.Va. 138, 459 S.E.2d 415 (1995).
5. A trial court is permitted broad discretion in the control and management of discovery, and it is only for an abuse of discretion amounting to an injustice that we will interfere with the exercise of that discretion. Syl. Pt. 1, in part, B.F. Specialty Co. v. Charles M. Sledd Co., 197 W.Va. 463, 475 S.E.2d 555 (1996).
6. An attorney
may confer with his or her client witness during a recess or break in a discovery
deposition, so long as the attorney did not request a break in the questions or request a
conference between a question and an answer for an improper purpose. The right to counsel
should not be jeopardized absent a showing that the attorney or the deponent is abusing
the deposition process.
Workman, Justice:
Petitioner, Christina Means (hereinafter
Ms. Means or Petitioner), filed this writ of prohibition seeking
to prohibit the enforcement of an order entered on January 5, 1997, by Judge Charles King
of the Circuit Court of Kanawha County, in which he ordered that once the Plaintiff
i[s] placed under oath for her deposition or any other sworn testimony, discussions
between Plaintiff and her counsel are inappropriate. Petitioner contends that Judge
King exceeded his legitimate authority because his ruling is in contravention of West
Virginia law and court rules. Further, petitioner argues that the circuit court's ruling
effectively denies her right to counsel. Respondents, the West Virginia Department of
Transportation, Division of Highways and William Clayton (hereinafter
Respondents), contend that the circuit court was correct in ordering that
discussions between counsel and his client regarding the client's testimony during a
recess in a deposition are inappropriate. Because we find that the circuit court erred in
its ruling, we prohibit the court from enforcing the order and grant the writ as moulded.
I. Background Facts
This civil action arises out of damages
claimed by Petitioner as a result of alleged gender-based discrimination by Respondents.
Subsequent to the filing of the complaint and answer in this civil action, the parties
began the discovery phase of litigation. Accordingly, Petitioner's deposition was
scheduled to take place on August 21, 1998. The deposition was originally scheduled to
begin at 10:00 a.m. However, because of some confusion between counsel regarding the time
the deposition was supposed to begin, the deposition was not commenced until 12:30 p.m.
(Disagreement exists between the parties regarding whether or not an agreement was sought
or made to begin the deposition at a later time.)
Because of the late starting time and because it was anticipated that the deposition would continue into the next day, counsel for Respondents requested that Petitioner and her counsel agree not to discuss Petitioner's deposition between themselves in any way during the evening break, should the deposition not be completed on that day. Counsel for Respondents represents in her brief before this Court that in seeking this agreement, she conceded that matters such as assertion of the attorney-client privilege or whether evidence fell within the work product doctrine were not improper subjects of discussion, but maintained that discussions regarding the testimony of a witness once she has been placed under oath is improper. Petitioner's counsel would not agree to this condition and, accordingly, counsel for respondents refused to continue with the deposition in order to seek relief in the circuit court.
Subsequently, Petitioner filed a Motion
for Sanctions and for a Protective Order with the circuit court and Respondents filed a
Motion for Costs. The circuit court denied both Petitioner's and Respondents' Motions in
an order dated January 5, 1999. However, in that same order, the circuit court found that
[t]he Court is further of the opinion that once the Plaintiff [is] placed under oath
for her deposition or any other sworn testimony, discussions between Plaintiff and her
counsel are inappropriate. It is from this order that Petitioner seeks a writ of
prohibition.
II. Standard of Review
Petitioner has filed a writ of prohibition
seeking to prevent the enforcement of the January 5, 1999, order. Petitioner contends that
the circuit court has exceeded its legitimate powers in issuing the order. We have held
that:
Prohibition
lies only to restrain inferior courts from proceeding in causes over which they have no
jurisdiction, or, in which, having jurisdiction, they are exceeding their legitimate
powers and may not be used as a substitute for writ of error, appeal or certiorari.
Syl. pt. 1, Crawford v. Taylor, 138 W.Va. 207, 75 S.E.2d 370 (1953).
Syl. Pt. 2, Cowie v. Roberts, 173 W.Va. 64, 312 S.E.2d 35 (1984).
In syllabus point four of State ex rel. Hoover v. Berger, 199 W.Va. 12, 483 S.E.2d 12 (1996), we set forth the applicable standard for determining whether to grant a writ of prohibition in cases when a petitioner asserts that the circuit court has exceeded its legitimate powers:
In determining
whether to entertain and issue the writ of prohibition for cases not involving an absence
of jurisdiction but only where it is claimed that the lower tribunal exceeded its
legitimate powers, this Court will examine five factors: (1) whether the party seeking the
writ has no other adequate means, such as direct appeal, to obtain the desired relief; (2)
whether the petitioner will be damaged or prejudiced in a way that is not correctable on
appeal; (3) whether the lower tribunal's order is clearly erroneous as a matter of law;
(4) whether the lower tribunal's order is an oft repeated error or manifests persistent
disregard for either procedural or substantive law; and (5) whether the lower tribunal's
order raises new and important problems or issues of law of first impression. These
factors are general guidelines that serve as a useful starting point for determining
whether a discretionary writ of prohibition should issue. Although all five factors need
not be satisfied, it is clear that the third factor, the existence of clear error as a
matter of law, should be given substantial weight.
Id. In addition, we have held that [a] writ of prohibition is available to
correct a clear legal error resulting from a trial court's substantial abuse of its
discretion in regard to discovery orders. Syl. Pt. 1, State Farm Mut. Auto. Ins.
Co. v. Stephens, 188 W.Va. 622, 425 S.E.2d 577 (1992).
This case presents a purely legal question for review. Accordingly, the following standard of review applies: Where the issue on appeal from the circuit court is clearly a question of law or involving an interpretation of a statute, we apply a de novo standard of review. Syl. Pt. 1, Chrystal R.M. v. Charlie A.L., 194 W.Va. 138, 459 S.E.2d 415 (1995).
III. Discussion
The issue before this Court is limited to
the specific question of whether or not the circuit court erroneously ruled that once a
party is placed under oath for her deposition, discussions between the party and her
counsel during a recess or break are improper. This is a novel issue for this Court and a
review of the West Virginia statutory and common law provides little guidance.
The West Virginia Rules of Civil Procedure give the court control over the discovery process in general. Rule 30 of the West Virginia Rules of Civil Procedure governs the taking of depositions upon oral examination during the discovery phase of litigation. Rule 30(a) authorizes, in part, that [a]fter commencement of the action, any party may take the testimony of any person, including a party, by deposition upon oral examination. Rule 30 does not include any language which provides that once a party or a witness is placed under oath for her deposition, discussions between the party/witness and counsel are improper.
Rule 30(b)(8) specifically provides that [e]xamination and cross-examination of witnesses may proceed as permitted at the trial under the provisions of the West Virginia Rules of Evidence. Rule 611 of the West Virginia Rules of Evidence governs the mode and order of interrogation and presentation of witnesses during a trial. Rule 611(a) provides that [t]he court shall exercise reasonable control over the mode and order of interrogating witnesses and presenting evidence so as to (1) make the interrogation and presentation effective for the ascertainment of the truth, (2) avoid needless consumption of time, and (3) protect witnesses from harassment or undue embarrassment.
Rule 30(d) of the West Virginia Rules
of Civil Procedure contains the most restrictive language regarding the role of counsel
during a deposition; however, it does not address the issue with which we are faced. Rule
30(d)(1) provides that [a]ny objection to evidence during a deposition shall be
stated concisely and in a non-argumentative and non- suggestive manner. A party may
instruct a deponent not to answer only when necessary to preserve a privilege, to enforce
a limitation on evidence directed by the court, or to present a motion under paragraph
(3).See footnote 1 1 Rule
30(d)(1) and (3) track the exact language found in Rule 30(d)(1) and (3) of the Federal
Rules of Civil Procedure. See Fed. R. Civ. Pro. 30.
The propriety of private conferences
during deposition breaks or recesses poses a difficult question for this Court. A
conference during a regularly scheduled evening or lunch break obviously would not cause a
needless consumption of time during a deposition, nor should it affect the answer to a
pending question. On the other hand, the concern implicit in this issue is that such a
private conference might permit an attorney or some other person to suggest changes to
prior answers or coach the witness about anticipated questions, and, [c]onsequently,
the potential exists that the conference might be used to violate ethical or legal rules
against witness coaching. A. Darby Dickerson, The Law and Ethics of Civil
Depositions, 57 Md. L. Rev. 273, 332 (1998). Conversely, prohibiting a client
from talking to her attorney during a long break might penalize the client
unnecessarily. Id. at 332-333.
As we have previously indicated, all
phases of the deposition examination are subject to the sound discretion of the court,
which can make any orders necessary to prevent the abuse of the discovery and deposition
process. A trial court is permitted broad discretion in the control and management
of discovery, and it is only for an abuse of discretion amounting to an injustice that we
will interfere with the exercise of that discretion. Syl. Pt. 1, in part, B.F.
Specialty Co. v. Charles M. Sledd Co., 197 W.Va. 463, 475 S.E.2d 555 (1996). Because
of this broad discretion, we are generally quite hesitant to interfere in a trial court's
decisions regarding discovery issues. Here, however, we are faced with a new issue and the
lower court judge had to make a decision in somewhat of a legal vacuum. In light of the
fact that our law provides little guidance on this issue, we first examine the law of
other jurisdictions.
The United States District Court for the
Eastern District of Pennsylvania has addressed whether a witness and his or her attorney
may confer during the course of a deposition where the conference is not solely for
purpose of determining if a privilege should be asserted. In Hall v. Clifton Precision,
150 F.R.D. 525 (E.D. Pa. 1993), the case relied on by Respondents, the federal district
court emphatically found that conferences between witness and lawyer are prohibited
both during the deposition and during recesses. Id. at 529.See footnote 2 2
In reaching this conclusion, the
district court explained that [t]he underlying reason for preventing private
conferences is still present: they tend, at the very least, to give the appearance of
obstructing the truth. Id. at 528. The district court specifically instructed
that:
Once the deposition has begun, the
preparation period is over and the deposing lawyer is entitled to pursue the chosen line
of inquiry without interjection by the witness's counsel. Private conferences are barred
during the deposition, and the fortuitous occurrence of a coffee break, lunch break, or
evening recess is no reason to change the rules. Otherwise . . . [a] clever lawyer or
witness who finds that a deposition is going in an undesired or unanticipated direction
could simply insist on a short recess to discuss the unanticipated yet desired answers,
thereby circumventing the prohibition on private conferences.
Id. at 529. The Hall court did, however, carve out one exception to this
stringent rule, finding that a private conference between witness and attorney is
permissible if the purpose of the conference is to decide whether to assert a
privilege. Id. Although this issue has not been substantially developed in
the case law, other courts have also held that private conferences between deponents and
attorneys during a deposition are improper except for the purpose of determining the
existence of a privilege. See In re Asbestos Litig., 492 A.2d 256, 259 (Del.
1985) (holding that attorney-client consultations regarding client's deposition testimony
during course of deposition during asbestos litigation is prohibited); O'Brien v.
Amtrak, 163 F.R.D. 232, 236 (E.D. Pa. 1995) (applying guidelines of Hall to
depositions taken in action).
The Hall court's strict holding
was rejected, however, by the United States District Court for Nevada in In re
Stratosphere Corp. Securities Litigation, 182 F.R.D. 614 (D. Nev. 1998). Even though
the district court in Stratosphere agreed with the underlying concern and essential
purpose of the holding in Hall, the court was of the opinion that the Hall
decision goes too far and its strict adherence could violate the right to counsel. Id.,
at 620. In Stratosphere, the district court noted that [t]he Hall
decision effectively precludes counsel and his witness from speaking to each other once a
deposition has begun, until it is finished. If they so much as speak to each other,
opposing counsel then has the right to inquire into every thing that was said. Id.
In rejecting the Hall holding,
the Stratosphere court explained that:
This Court agrees
with the Hall court that a questioning attorney is entitled to have the witness, and the
witness alone, answer questions . . . .
. . . .
It is one thing to preclude
attorney-coaching of witnesses. It is quite another to deny someone the right to counsel.
Even the court in Hall notes in footnote 5 that the right to counsel is an issue
that has not been decided in this context. It is this Court's opinion that the right of
counsel does not need to be unnecessarily jeopardized absent a showing that counsel or a
deponent is abusing the deposition process.
. . . .
It is this
Court's experience, at the bar and on the bench, that attorney's [sic] and clients
regularly confer during trial and even during the client's testimony, while the court is
in recess, be it mid morning or mid afternoon, the lunch recess . . . [or] the evening
recess. The right to prepare a witness is not different before the questions begin than it
is during (or after, since a witness may be recalled for rebuttal, etc., during trial).
What this Court, and the Federal Rules of Procedure seek to prevent is coaching the
witness by telling the witness what to say or how to answer a specific question. We all
want the witness's answers, but not at the sacrifice of his or her right to the assistance
of counsel.
. . . To deny a
client any right to confer with his or her counsel about anything, once the client has
been sworn to testify, and further to subject a person to unfettered inquiry into anything
which may have been discussed with the client's attorney, all in the name of compliance to
the rules, is a position this Court declines to take.
Id. at 621.
In reaching its ultimate conclusion, the district court in Stratosphere explained that it declined to adopt Hall's strict requirements and held that it will not preclude an attorney, during a recess that he or she did not request, from making sure that his or her client did not misunderstand or misinterpret questions or documents, or attempt to rehabilitate the client by fulfilling an attorney's ethical duty to prepare a witness. In re Stratosphere, 182 F.R.D. at 621. The district court further instructed that [s]o long as attorneys do not demand a break in the questions, or demand a conference between question and answers, the Court is confident that the search for truth will adequately prevail. Id. Other courts have held similarly. See Odone v. Croda Int'l PLC, 170 F.R.D. 66, 69 (D.C. Cir. 1997) (refusing to penalize attorney for utilizing five-minute recess that he did not request to learn whether client misunderstood or misinterpreted questions and then attempting to rehabilitate client on record); In re PSE & G Shareholder Litig., 726 A.2d 994, 997 (N.J. Super. Cit. Ch. Div. 1998) (refusing to apply blanket restrictions found in Hall to every case and allowing counsel and witness to confer during evening recess, after deposition has concluded for day and is scheduled to resume the following day).
With regard to discovery depositions
taken in the course of litigation, we believe that the approach taken in Stratosphere
is the more logical and fair approach. An attorney should be able to ensure that his or
her client did not misunderstand or misinterpret a question or a document. In fact, an
attorney has an ethical duty to prepare a witness for a deposition. In the case at bar,
Petitioner's deposition has not yet taken place and Respondents have made no showing that
Petitioner and her counsel have abused the deposition process. Further, Rules 3.3See footnote 3 3 and 3.4See footnote 4 4 of the West Virginia
Rules of Professional Conduct require that an attorney not purposefully allow false
evidence or testimony to be given in a deposition.
In reaching this conclusion, however, we must distinguish between discovery and evidentiary depositions. Even though the current West Virginia Rules of Civil Procedure do not distinguish between evidentiary and discovery depositions, we recognize that there is a difference in practice. The purpose of an evidentiary deposition, as its name implies is very different from the purpose of a discovery deposition. State ex rel. Hoover v. Smith, 198 W.Va. 507, 513, 482 S.E.2d 124, 130 (1997). An evidentiary deposition is taken with the knowledge that it will be introduced as 'evidence' at the hearing [or a trial]. Id. A discovery deposition is taken in order to 'discover' information. Id. Since an evidentiary deposition is taken specifically to be used in trial in instances when a witness is not available to testify and, therefore, must be afforded more stringent safeguards than a discovery deposition. Accordingly, we hold that an attorney may confer with his or her client witness during a recess or break in a discovery deposition, so long as the attorney did not request a break in the questions or request a conference between a question and an answer for an improper purpose. The right to counsel should not be jeopardized absent a showing that the attorney or the deponent is abusing the deposition process. To find otherwise would not only have the potential to jeopardize the right to counsel, but would indeed seem to presume lawyers will not adhere to the Rules of Professional Conduct. We presume instead that lawyers will follow the ethical tenets of our profession.
Our only concern with the decision
rendered in Stratosphere is its discussion regarding trial testimony. The decision
implies that attorneys and clients in both criminal and civil trials have the right to
regularly confer during trial and even during the client's testimony, while the
court is in recess, be it mid morning or mid afternoon, the lunch recess . . . [or] the
evening recess. 182 F.R.D. at 621. While it is clear that a criminal defendant
enjoys the right to confer with his attorney during the course of his trial testimony,See footnote 5 5 such an encompassing
right does not apply to a party in a civil trial.See
footnote 6 6 The federal district court in Hall specifically stated
that [d]uring a civil trial, a witness and his or her lawyer are not permitted to
confer at their pleasure during the witness's testimony. 150 F.R.D. at 528, see
also Aiello v. City of Wilmington, 623 F.2d 845, 858-59 (3d. Cir. 1980) (federal
appeals court refused to reverse district court that had ordered plaintiff and counsel not
communicate during breaks in plaintiff's cross-examination because of concern over witness
coaching).
Further, the Appellate Court of Illinois has held that the right of a party to counsel in a civil case is quite divergent from the right of defendant in a criminal prosecution. Stocker Hinge Mfg. Co. v. Darnel Indus., Inc., 377 N.E.2d 1125, 1133 (Ill. App. Ct. 1978). The Stocker court refused to apply the rule enunciated in Geders to civil cases, stating that quite aside from, and in addition to, the express mandate of the sixth amendment to the Federal Constitution, in criminal cases there are practical differences which make such a rule unnecessary in civil proceedings. Id. at 1134. The Appellate Court of Illinois affirmed its holding in Stocker in the case of Commonwealth Edison Co. v. Danekas, 433 N.E.2d 736 (Ill. App. Ct. 1982). In Commonwealth Edison, the Illinois court relied on its earlier holding to find that a trial court did not commit reversible error in denying the defendant the right to consult with his attorney during a brief lunch recess that occurred in the course of his direct testimony. Id. at 741.
Finally, Respondents argue that a writ
of prohibition is not warranted because Petitioner has failed to allege that Judge King
lacked jurisdiction or has exceeded his legitimate power in this case. However, it is
clear that the test for granting a writ of prohibition articulated in syllabus point 4 of Berger,
is met in this case. Judge King's order is not a final order from which a direct appeal
can be taken and no other means exist to obtain relief from this order. Also, the
potential for the denial of petitioner's right to counsel during her deposition testimony
cannot be corrected on appeal. Third, and most importantly, the order is clearly erroneous
as a matter of law. Further, the order is subject to being repeated and cited as precedent
during the course of litigation in other cases, and, lastly, the order has clearly raised
an issue of law of first impression. See Syl. Pt. 4, Berger, 199 W.Va. at
14-15, 483 S.E.2d at 14-15.
IV. Conclusion
Based upon the foregoing, we grant the
writ of prohibition and prevent the enforcement of the order issued by Judge Charles King
of the Circuit Court of Kanawha County.
Writ granted as moulded.
Footnote: 1
1Rule 30(d)(3) of the West Virginia Rules of Civil Procedure provides as follows:At any time during the taking of the deposition, on motion of a party or of the deponent and upon a showing that the examination is being conducted in bad faith or in such manner as unreasonably to annoy, embarrass, or oppress the deponent or party, the court in which the action is pending or the circuit court of the county where the deposition is being taken may order the officer conducting the examination to cease forthwith from taking the deposition, or may limit the scope and manner of the taking of the deposition as provided in Rule 26(c). If the order made terminates the examination, it shall be resumed thereafter only upon the order of the court in which the action is pending. Upon demand of the objecting party or deponent the taking of the deposition shall be suspended for the time necessary to make a motion for an order. The provisions of Rule 37(a)(4) apply to the award of expenses incurred in relation to the motion.
Footnote: 2
2In Hall, the district court reviewed the court's authority to govern depositions under Rule 30 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, and, as noted above, Rule 30(d)(1) and (3) of these rules are the same as Rule 30(d)(1) and (3) of the West Virginia Rules of Civil Procedure.Footnote: 3
3Rule 3.3 of the West Virginia Rules of Professional Conduct provides that:Footnote: 4
4Rule 3.4 of the West Virginia Rules of Professional Conduct provides that: (c) knowingly
disobey an obligation under the rules of a tribunal except for an open refusal based on an
assertion that no valid obligation exists;
(d) in pretrial
procedure, make a frivolous discovery request or fail to make reasonably diligent effort
to comply with a legally proper discovery request by an opposing party;
(e) in trial,
allude to any matter that the lawyer does not reasonably believe is relevant or that will
not be supported by admissible evidence, assert personal knowledge of facts in issue
except when testifying as a witness, or state a personal opinion as to the justness of a
cause, the credibility of a witness, the culpability of a civil litigant or the guilt or
innocence of an accused; or
(f) request a
person other than a client to refrain from voluntarily giving relevant information to
another party unless:
(1) the person is
a relative or an employee or other agent of a client; and
(2) the lawyer
reasonably believes that the person's interests will not be adversely affected by
refraining from giving such information.
Footnote: 5
5In Geders v. United States, 425 U.S. 80 (1976), the United States Supreme Court held that an order [in a criminal trial] preventing petitioner from consulting his counsel 'about anything' during a 17-hour overnight recess between his direct and cross-examination impinged on his right to the assistance of counsel guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment. Id. at 91. In a later case, however, the United States Supreme Court, in finding that a criminal defendant did not have a right to confer with his attorney during a fifteen-minute trial recess between his direct and cross-examination, held that the Federal Constitution does not compel every trial judge to allow the defendant to consult with his lawyer while his testimony is in progress if the judge decides that there is a good reason to interrupt the trial for a few minutes. Perry v. Leeke, 488 U.S. 272, 284-85 (1989).Footnote: 6
6Other courts, however, have found that the rule in Geders applies to civil trials as well. In Potashnick v. Port City Construction Co., 609 F.2d 1101 (5th Cir. 1980), the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit analogized the holding in Geders to the civil litigation context, finding that a civil litigant has a constitutional right to retain hired counsel . . . [and a] rule prohibiting a litigant from consulting with his attorney during breaks and recesses in the litigant's testimony [during trial] impinges on that right. Id. at 1118.